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Episode 09: Ben Larke

Understanding Shame and Midlife Transformation: Ben Larke

AIRED: 9/12/2025

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Introduction

When Alan Jones, the former Sydney-based conservative shock jock, infamously said Julia Gillard’s father “died of shame”, he chose his words carefully. Not confusion, not embarrassment—shame. It’s one of those words that stops you in your tracks. That quiet, gnawing feeling that whispers you’re fundamentally not good enough.

For midlife men, shame often lurks beneath the surface of our carefully constructed lives. We’ve built the career, bought the house, raised the kids. From the outside, everything looks sorted. But inside? There’s often a different story playing out—one we’ve been keeping secret, sometimes even from ourselves.

Ben Larke is a clinical psychologist who specialises in working with men navigating midlife transitions. He understands shame not just as a clinician, but as someone who’s done his own deep work. His journey from humanitarian development worker to stay-at-home dad to psychologist gives him a perspective that’s both professional and deeply personal.

What we explore in this episode

In this conversation, we explore the fundamental difference between guilt and shame. Guilt says “I did something wrong”. Shame says “I am wrong”. That distinction matters enormously because guilt can be addressed through action, but shame attacks our very identity.

What makes shame so powerful? Ben explains how our nervous systems become wired through early experiences. If you grew up feeling fundamentally “not enough”—whether through comparison to siblings, unmet emotional needs, or the simple absence of unconditional validation—your brain learned to operate in a state of shame. It became familiar territory.
For many men, that familiar territory includes compulsive behaviours carried out in secret. Drinking alone at 2am. Pornography. Online shopping. Whatever the outlet, the pattern is the same: we’re trying to escape one pain by creating another. These behaviours aren’t random—they serve a function, even when they’re destructive.

The conversation takes a fascinating turn when Ben introduces his metaphor of the car. Inside each of us are multiple “parts”—the traumatised child, the competent adult, the angry teenager. Only one gets to sit in the driver’s seat at any moment. The challenge isn’t eliminating the difficult parts; it’s learning to have a compassionate adult reach back and hold the hand of the traumatised child who’s still in the back seat.

We explore why midlife often becomes the moment when everything catches up. You’ve been moving fast your whole life—next job, next country, next achievement. Then life slows you down. You’ve arguably “made it”. And suddenly, all that unprocessed material from your past demands attention.

Ben’s own story of reinvention offers hope. At 42, burned out from humanitarian work and grappling with his own demons, he returned to a passion he’d abandoned in his twenties. The journey wasn’t easy—it required financial risk, family support, and years of retraining. But it led him to work that feels like what he was “meant to do all along”.

His advice for starting? Find someone you trust and tell them your secret. Not necessarily a therapist—it could be a friend, a mentor, anyone who can hold space without judgement. That act of sharing often shrinks the monster in the closet down to size. What felt enormous and defining inside your head becomes manageable once it’s out in the light.

Most importantly, Ben reminds us that we don’t need to be perfect. When we catch ourselves repeating patterns we swore we’d never repeat—when we become our fathers despite our best intentions—the work isn’t to shame ourselves further. It’s to notice, to be compassionate, and to choose differently tomorrow.

Because what we don’t transform, we transmit. And midlife gives us the chance to break that cycle.

Guest info

Ben Larke is a clinical psychologist based in Sydney who specialises in working with men navigating midlife transitions, shame, and identity challenges. He holds a Master of Clinical Psychology from the University of Sydney, a Master of the Anthropology of Conflict, Violence and Conciliation from the University of Sussex, and associate membership with the Australia and New Zealand Association of Psychotherapy.

Ben’s career has spanned humanitarian development work with the United Nations in Timor-Leste, where he managed multi-million dollar aid programs and advised on national recovery strategies. After experiencing his own midlife reckoning, he retrained as a psychologist in his forties, bringing a unique perspective that combines clinical expertise with lived experience of reinvention.

His therapeutic approach takes an integrative, evidence-based stance drawing on Cognitive Behaviour Therapy, Acceptance and Commitment Therapy, EMDR, Compassion Focused Therapy and mindfulness-based approaches. Ben is particularly interested in how masculinity and stoicism can prevent men from accessing the emotional support they need. He regularly provides supervision to clinicians and is an APS board-approved supervisor. He also works casually at the University of Sydney, delivering lectures on post-conflict reconciliation and conflict resolution.

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